he's really putting the really dicey issues on the table, social security, medicare, big if, big i-f, if republicans backs off its no tax position. what do you make of that? >> thank you so much for having me. you're kind with your compliments. let me say this when we first started the biden talks being in that room, $4 trillion was a number we all talked about. we did feel, though that we couldn't get there, but that we should do something that would be a down payment on getting there. something between $1.4 and $2 trillion. and so these discussions we've had. and i would say to those people who have gotten so nervous about the president putting things like medicare on the table to remind them that when medicare part d was done, we brought in to support medicare that a lot of pharmaceuticals didn't have. they is medicaid. putting medicare out there and not allowing for adjusted rates, that's what got the costs up. if we had negotiated rates for medicare, same for the v.a., for veterans in the v.a., veterans administration, that could see a tremendous cost savings. so i am hopeful tha